‘Cancel Me, Daddy’ podcast deflates the hysteria around cancel culture

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Any person is about to get canceled. Or so it might seem, anyway.

“Who’re we canceling right now?” author Katelyn Burns asks her cohost, audio producer Oliver-Ash Kleine, close to the prime of their new podcast.

It’s a cheeky query, one that’s destined—if not designed—to elicit furious responses equivalent to Who died and made you the arbiters of cancellation?

It needs to be abundantly clear to anybody who listens to greater than 10 seconds of Cancel Me, Daddy, although, that Burns and Kleine are asking this query (largely!) satirically. In reality, it needs to be clear simply from listening to the title—a play on the well-liked Barstool podcast Name Her Daddy—or from observing the present’s art work, which depicts the hosts’ Twitter accounts slashed by way of with a kind of big pink x’s that are likely to accompany photographs of a “silenced” individual, sometimes with tape over their mouths for flair.


“We’re not really calling for folks to lose their jobs or something,” Burns says after we join over the telephone. “We’re not saying that cancel culture is ‘good.’ We simply suppose there’s extra nuance to it than folks often assume.”

[Image: courtesy of Oliver-Ash Kleine]

There actually is a pronounced lack of nuance around cancel culture at current. Though the concept of “canceling” somebody was initially coined by queer communities of color to explain the act of holding folks accountable for problematic habits, it has since metastasized into an umbrella time period wielded by all kinds of individuals for all kinds of causes. Only recently, actress Gina Carano was purportedly canceled by Disney, Ohio Consultant Jim Jordan described Donald Trump’s second impeachment as an effort to cancel the former president, and an OANN anchor described Stalin’s penchant for canceling those that opposed his views.

How can the identical time period presumably be used to explain an actor getting fired for anti-Semitic social media exercise, a president getting impeached for inciting an riot, and a brutal dictator murdering dissenters?

That’s why now’s such a really perfect time to launch a podcast that explores such questions.

Kleine, who produces podcasts equivalent to Courageous, Not Excellent With Reshma Saujani, and Burns, who lately ended a part-time stint as a politics columnist with Vox, had been discussing the concept of launching a podcast collectively for the higher a part of the previous yr. The 2 pals had been making an attempt to resolve what the core of the present may very well be and stored coming again to cancel culture, that many-tentacled bogeyman of free speech that appears to be an increasing number of related with every passing day. It appeared like an ideal match for 2 underemployed journalists who’re additionally shut observers of multinational media.

“We’re taking a look at this challenge that’s dominated by these very giant media voices who all carry a sure perspective the place each time there’s even criticism of a journalist or no matter, it’s the end of the world, the end of free speech as we know it,” Burns says. “However there are tons of individuals from all totally different sorts of backgrounds who simply get utterly neglected of this dialog. And we thought we may carry voice to that.”

The podcast is the pair’s try to reframe the dialog around cancel culture—which is slightly becoming since “cancel culture” is so typically used as a strawman to reframe the dialog around some public determine’s misdeeds. Why hassle participating with the substance of Donald Trump’s phrases and deeds when you’ll be able to merely dismiss the complete impeachment affair as a free-speech witch hunt?


Cohosts of Cancel Me, Daddy Oliver-Ash Kleine (left) and Katelyn Burns [Photos: courtesy of the subjects]

“I feel we’ve constructed up this mythology the place should you say that someone’s canceled, there’s computerized sympathy for that individual as a result of—Oh my God, cancel culture is the worst! However what occurs is it simply permits dangerous actors to get away with stuff and also you see this sample repeating over and time and again,” Burns says. “Not that some folks haven’t been fired unfairly or no matter. It’s simply, that is one thing that we hold seeing, and it’s type of ridiculous and it needs to be mocked.”

Confoundingly, as Burns and Kleine talk about on their present, as soon as sure offenders are deemed the newest victims of the dreaded cancel culture, they’re incentivized for it. Moderately than shuffling off to shunned obscurity, cancel martyrs equivalent to Missouri Senator Josh Hawley are likely to see their profile raised all through their ordeal, complaining about being silenced from the perch of Fox Information’s whole primetime lineup.

One can simply think about Hawley hawking his e-book, which was dropped by Simon & Schuster, when it will definitely does comes out on Regnery, whose titles are distributed by . . . Simon & Schuster, by engaging would-be consumers to learn the e-book that some nameless “they” tried to cancel however couldn’t.

Every time that occurs, Cancel Me, Daddy will probably be there to choose aside the second.

The hosts have a spicy mixture of segments deliberate for the future, from sorting by way of historic context to interviewing each cancelers and the canceled to asking the larger existential questions around cancel culture and what it means. If the previous a number of years are any indication, cancel culture will give them loads of materials to work with in the future—even when it undergoes a makeover.

“I feel it’s going to get to the level finally, in all probability not by the finish of the Biden administration, however we’ll get to the level finally the place common, on a regular basis individuals are simply going to roll their eyes at the phrase ‘cancel culture,’” Burns says. “I feel what we’ll see is one other rebranding, like what occurred with political correctness 5 or 10 years in the past, the place the dialog around it reworked into the cancel culture dialog. We’ll simply discover one other fancy time period for it and redo the complete panic another time.”